FINANCIAL
Question # 0030 FAQ Keywords: financial assistance
I have no insurance and unable to see the right doctor
because of the lack of insurance.
* Where I can get medical help and help with the cost of the
medication?
1. Apply for Social Security Disability or Supplemental
Social Security
2. Call your state department of health and human
services/hygiene and ask if there is a diabetes division. If so, ask them for
help.
3. Apply for medical assistance through your state.
4. Consider finding health insurance that is reasonably cost
effective.
Question # 0031 FAQ Keywords: insurance problems, financial
assistance
I have insurance, but the insurance company will not pay for
my dDAVP or they don’t want to cover it, what can I do?
1. Call you state insurance commission for help.
2. See if your state has a law that requires insurance
companies to pay for a 90-day supply of maintenance medication. (Maryland, for
example, does.)
3. See if your state has a law that requires insurance
companies to pay for “diabetic” supplies. (Maryland does and it requires
payment for “insulin dependent diabetes and non-insulin dependent diabetes.”
NOTE: no mention of “mellitus” or “insipidus” in Maryland’s law.)
DI FAQ FOR PHYSICIANS
Question # 0016 FAQ Keywords: common laboratory values,
24-hour urine volume
* What are the common laboratory values for DI (all types)?
The 24-hour urine volume is high (greater than 40 m./kg/BW)
and the osmolality is low (less than 300 mosmoles/kg). Serum electrolytes are
usually normal.
Question # 0017 FAQ Keywords: iatrogenic, refeeding syndrome
* Why do the laboratory values look similar to refeeding
syndrome for tubefeeding patients?
If they do produce values similar to DI, it can only mean
that the refeeding syndrome results in some type of DI. The most likely cause is
iatrogenic (due to administration of excess fluid) but NDI and even CDI is also
possible.
Question # 0018 FAQ Keywords: water deprivation test
* Are there any tricks to making the water deprivation test
easier?
The water deprivation test should be prolonged no longer than
is necessary to raise the serum sodium concentration slightly above the normal
range. If this does not occur within a few hours (for example, if you begin to
concentrate your urine), the test can be shorted by giving an intravenous
infusion of a concentrated salt solution (3% saline). This test should not be
done overnight. For more information about the water deprivation test, refer to
DiF’s web site at www.diabetesinsipidus.org/water_deprivation_protocol.htm.
Question # 0019 FAQ Keywords: MRI, posterior pituitary bright
spot
Recently I encountered a case of CDI, in which MR Imaging
shows absence of normal hyperintensity of post pituitary. I am interested in
knowing specificity of this finding.
The posterior pituitary bright spot is absent in most if not
all patients with CDI, irrespective of the cause. However, it is not completely
specific for CDI because the bright spot is also absent in 10% to 30% of normal
healthy adults and in about the same fraction of patients with other types of DI
(nephrogenic, dipsogenic, psychogenic). Therefore, it supports but does not
completely prove the diagnosis of CDI.
Question # 0020 FAQ Keywords: infancy, infants with CDI,
children with CDI
There is no information about very young children or
neonates. It is so difficult to treat my patient (60 days old with the onset of
DI at 50 days old) owing to the deficiency of data. My patient suffered from GBS
meningitis. In infancy, the thirst mechanism is not fully developed and the
water pool in the body is very narrow, so her potassium levels have been up and
down. It is very difficult to control her potassium level. Please recommend the
management of infancy with CDI.
In young infants, the treatment of CDI can be very difficult
because they must drink more water than adults and the dDAVP treatment prevents
them from excreting the excess water. Therefore, they are much more likely to
develop water intoxication (hypothermia) when given doses of dDAVP sufficient to
completely prevent DI. I would recommend that you try 3 things: 1 . Provide a
formula with the smallest amount of solute free water possible; and 2. reduce
the dose of dDAVP until urine output roughly equals the daily intake of formula;
and 3. Allow the child to drink enough pure water (not juice or milk) to replace
her insensible losses (10 to 30 ml/kg body weight depending on temperature,
activity).
Question # 0021 FAQ Keywords: side effects, blood clots,
children with CDI
My patient is 8 years old now. At 7, he was given dDAVP and
five days later had to have 4 1/2 feet of his bowel removed due to a blood clot
because of the dDAVP. Patient is still on dDAVP, but also coumadin.
* Is there any other medication that he can take so that he
won’t have to be on coumadin?
There are some children who take dDAVP for CDI. It is not
known to cause blood clots in them or in adults. If given at doses much higher
than are commonly used to treat DI, dDAVP can stimulate release of a clotting
factor, but this increase does not itself cause clotting without some injury or
other stimulus. Coumadin is not the only drug that inhibits clotting, but it is
one of the easiest to use and may be the best for the type of clotting
abnormality in the patient. This should be discussed with the doctors involved.
Question # 0022 FAQ Keywords: diagnosis, partial CDI,
dipsogenic DI, polydipsia
* What is the best way to distinguish between partial CDI and
dipsogenic DI or another form of primary polydipsia?
One of the biggest problems in the differential diagnosis of
DI is distinguishing partial CDI from dipsogenic DI or other forms of primary
polydipsia. There are two ways to make this distinction. One way is to measure
plasma AVP during a suitable osmotic stimulus such as fluid deprivation with or
without hypertonic saline infusion. The decision on whether or not to use
hypertonic saline depends on how the patient responds to fluid deprivation. If
the latter results in concentration of the urine before plasma osmolality and
sodium concentration reach the level necessary to unambiguously differentiate a
normal from a subnormal rise in plasma AVP (Posm 295 to 300, Pna 143 to 146 )
then hypertonic saline should be given until the desired endpoint is reach at
which time the measurement of plasma AVP is repeated. The other way to make this
distinction is give a closely monitored therapeutic trial of dDAVP at doses
sufficient to completely normal urine osmolality and volume for 24 to 48 hours.
If this treatment also normalizes thirst and fluid intake without inducing
hyponatremia, the patient probably (>95%) has partial CDI. If, however, this
treatment results in hyponatremia within 24 to 48 hours, the patient probably
has dipsogenic DI or some other form of primary polydipsia. Further information
concerning these procedures can be found in (1) Robertson GL, Endocrinology and
Metabolism Clinics of North America 24(3): 549-572, 1995. (2)Robertson, GL
Annual Review of Medicine, 39: 425542, 1988.
Question # 0023 FAQ Keywords: partial CDI, diagnosis
How about partial forms of DI? What kind of test have you
preferred: deprivation test with dosage of serum AVP, or saline infusion with
dosage of serum AVP?
Diagnosis of DI is very clear and simple when there is a
complete absence of secretion or action of AVP, but this is the least
common...it’s hard to diagnose a partial case. I have another doubt. In your
revision of DI you say that “when the fluid deprivation test results in
urinary concentration (...) there are three remaining diagnostic possibilities
(partial neurohypophyseal, partial nephrogenic, or dipsogenic DI), and the
change in urine osmolality produced by administering AVP or dDAVP is of no value
in differentiating between them.”
Question # 0024 FAQ Keywords: water deprivation test,
diagnosis, diagnostic tests
I used to do the test this way: 1 hour after the deprivation
test and the administration of AVP or dDAVP, urinary osmolality is measured;
patients with complete CDI will show an increase of > 50% in urine osm, while
patients with nephrogenic DI will show an increase < 50%; patients with
partial CDI also show increases of < 50% (but greater than 9%), and patients
with dipsogenic DI have responses < 9%. Sometimes, however, the
interpretation of these values is difficult, but does it mean that these results
have little importance? It is a little hard to have a reliable RIA for AVP here.
Can I trust these urinary osmolarity results?
In my experience in well over 200 patients with various types
of DI, the indirect test (comparison of urine osmolalities after fluid
deprivation and AVP (or dDAVP), gives the same diagnostic results as
measurements of AVP or a therapeutic trial of dDAVP only in patients with severe
DI (urine not concentrated during fluid deprivation). In those who concentrate
their urine during fluid deprivation, the subsequent response to dDAVP does not
correlate at all with the diagnosis obtained by AVP assay or by the patients
response to treatment with dDAVP. Therefore, I do not think it is helpful in
anyway and do not even give the AVP or dDAVP anymore if the patient concentrates
his or her urine during the fluid deprivation. In this situation, we give give
an infusion of hypertonic saline to raise the plasma osmolality and sodium to
~300 and 145, respectively, and obtain another sample for AVP assay. If an assay
is not available to you, a good alternative way to make the diagnosis is to
conduct a closely monitored, 24 to 48 hour trial of dDAVP therapy (20 mcg in
q8h, 200 mcg po q8h or 2mcg s.c. q12 h). If this treatment completely abolishes
polyuria and polydipsia without inducing hyponatremia, it is 95% certain that
the patient has CDI. If the dDAVP has no effect even when given parenterally,
the patient has NDI. If, however, the treatment abolishes the polyuria but has a
lesser or delayed effect on thirst and/or water intake and produces significant
hyponatremia, the odds are very high (>85%)that the patient has some form of
primary polydipsia either alone or in combination with CDI (about 5% of patients
with CDI also have damage to their thirst mechanism which causes hyperdipsia).
Question # 0025 FAQ Keywords: polydipsia, swimming, nocturnal
polyuria
We have a strange case that has stumped us: a 72-year-old
woman with polydipsia and polyuria who swims 90 minutes a day. All tests have
come back negative and the only remote reason for her CDI seems to be ADH
inhibition by her daily swimming. Is this plausible ? This patient also cannot
fly on planes any longer. She gets what looks like short dumping syndrome (not
postgastrectomy) with food intolerance, sweating, etc.
By negative tests I assume you mean her 24-hour urine volume
is normal and that the polyuria occurs only when she is swimming. This could be
due to retention of excess salt/water in legs when standing on land followed by
urinary excretion when gravitational/hydrostatic pressures reversed by water
immersion and horizontal position during swim. If this is true she may also
excrete more salt and water when she goes to bed at night. Does she have
nocturia? If so, I would check circadian urines to see if she has nocturnal
polyuria.
Question # 0026 FAQ Keywords:
sprironolatone, accutane,
androgen
I am a dermatologist and I have a patient with CDI on
dDAVP.
She also has severe cystic acne with a clearly hormonal pattern suggestive of
relative androgen excess. Her PCP had placed her on estrogen, without
improvement. She’s had a prolonged course of accutane with partial
improvement. I am considering starting her on spironolactone as an androgen
blocker. What effect, if any, would spironolactone have on her DI treated with
dDAVP?
As far as I know, spironolactone should not effect your
patient’s response to dDAVP. It may increase her urinary excretion of sodium
and decrease excretion of potassium but both effects should be relatively small,
transient, and of no appreciable consequence for her urine output. As a related
issue, have you explored the possibility of polycyctic ovarian disease or one of
the types of congenital adrenal hyperplasia that also results in overproduction
of androgens?
Question # 0028 FAQ Keywords: genetic testing
* What is the name of a lab that does genetic testing for
CDI?
There are at least two laboratories that currently sequence
the AVP-neurophysin II gene in patients with suspected familial CDI of the
autosomal dominant type. One is the laboratory of Dr. Soren Rittig, Skyby
University Hospital, Aarhus, Denmark. The other is at Northwestern University
Medical School in Chicago, Illinois, USA. Other laboratories in Boston,
Massachusetts (Dr. Joe Majzoub) and Cinncinati, Ohio (Dr. Davis Repaske) have
also sequenced this gene, however I do not know if they do it on a regular
basis.
Question # 0029 FAQ Keywords:
I am a trauma ICU nurse and am currently taking care of a
17-year-old near-drowning victim. This patient suffered no head injury and all
CTs were normal, however he went into a severe case of DI. What caused this DI?
His pH on arrival was 6.72 and he was hypothermic.
I cannot explain this patient’s DI. It can result from
hypoxia severe enough to produce generalized “brain death” but that
apparently is not present in this patient. Neither hypothermia or sever acidosis
are known to cause DI but they conceivably could do so.
Question # 0456 EWv4n3 Keywords: posterior pituitary bright
spot, diagnosis
Recently I encountered a case of CDI, in which MR imaging
shows absence of normal hyperintensity of post pitutary. What is the specificity
of this finding?
The posterior pituitary bright spot is absent in most if not
all patients with CDI, irrespective of the cause. However, it is not completely
specific for CDI because the bright spot is also absent in 10% to 30% of normal
healthy adults and in about the same fraction of patients with other types of DI
(nephrogenic, dipsogenic, psychogenic). Therefore, it supports but does not
completely prove the diagnosis of CDI.
DI IN PETS
Question # 0779 EWv7n4 Keywords: pets, dogs
I have a rott-lab mix named Max. I rescued Max when he was
two years old. After being treated for heartworm, everything seemed fine, but
then he wet my bed just out of the blue. The vet began test after test, without
answers. We tried chlorothiazide and phenylpropanolamine. Each seemed to work
for a little while. He appears to have NDI, possibly due to the heartworm. Every
week or two we have to deal with him licking himself all night long, begging for
water all day, and extensive wetting. When all the drugs are working, he’s not
overly thirsty and I can barely wake him up in the morning (he would rather
sleep in). It just goes from one extreme to another. Giving ice cubes at times
helps during his cut off times, usually around 8 p.m. I hope that you can give
me some advice, anything would be of great help to us.
The first thing to do is to determine whether Max has DI or
diabetes mellitus. If he has DI, the next thing is to find out which type it is.
If it really is NDI, there is no completely effective treatment, but the best
probably would be a thiazide diuretic and a diet as low in salt and protein as
possible. If, however, he has CDI, it can be controlled completely with dDAVP,
which, in a dog, you would probably need to give by injection. [Editor’s note:
We have heard that the nasal spray dDAVP solution is sometimes given as an eye
drop in dogs.]
Question # 0778 EWv7n4 Keywords: pets, dogs
My dog is suffering terribly with CDI. He’s getting dDAVP
and he’s throwing up a lot. Is he getting too much? A lower dose seems to wear
off too soon. He’s urinating so I don’t think he’s dehydrated. Is there
any way to counteract the nausea? Does dexomethisone react badly with dDAVP?
The dDAVP itself should not cause vomiting. However, it may
do so by producing water intoxication if fluid intake is excessive. This
possibility can be checked by measuring serum sodium. If it is low, the dDAVP
should be reduced or stopped altogether until the reason for the excessive
intake can be determined and eliminated. If the excessive intake cannot be
eliminated, treatment with dDAVP may not be possible and other approaches will
be necessary.
Question # 2945 Keywords: pets, dogs
My Doberman, recently began to drink 1.5 gallons of water per day. Although
she did seem to produce less urine and drank somewhat less when we put her on
dDAVP, her urine specific gravity never increased, so I just stopped the drops.
The next night after stopping, she began to wake up again several times during
the night howling to get a drink (and urinate, of course). She also had two
accidents during the next day from all the water she drank. Should I continue
with dDAVP even though her urine is still dilute, or try another drug?
You indicated that your dog has NDI. Normally, NDI is not
normally treated with DDAVP. My first thought is to revisit the diagnosis. I
assume she is a spayed female and that diabetes mellitus, bladder infections,
and both liver and pancreatic inflammations have been ruled out. Also, what diet
is the dog on? If she is having serious kidney issues, diet can make a
difference in her health including the excess water drinking. Has the dog’s
vasopressin been measured? In humans this is done by blood test. The test is
somewhat expensive and you may wish to discuss the cost with your veterinarian.
If a normal amount of vasopressin is present in the blood, this normally would
not suggest CDI. In humans, DI is diagnosed and the type of DI is determined
with a water deprivation test. There is a protocol for conducting this test in
humans on DiF’s web site at the following address www.diabetesinsipidus.org/water_deprivation_protocol.htm.
If the dog does have NDI, you may discuss with your veterinarian treating it in
the way that NDI is treated in humans. In humans, NDI is not easy to live with
and not easy to treat. When it is treated, it is my understanding that the goal
is to depress the sodium level in the body by a combination of a low sodium diet
and thiazide diuretics. Otherwise, depending on the cost that you wish to spend
on testing, you may simply wish to use dDAVP if it helps and stop it if it is
not helping.
Question # 0094 FAQ Keywords: pets, dogs
My dog has constant bladder infections - since he was about
10 years old. He is on antibiotics almost all of the time. Can a canine also
develop this?
There is no reason a dog with DI could not develop bladder
enlargements and infections, the same as humans.
Question # 0095 FAQ Keywords: pets, dogs
My dog has hip displasia/arthritis and has been on Cosequin
DS (sodium chondroitin sulfate and gluscosamine mix) for the last 3 to 4 years.
Is the sodium chondroitin sulfate the same as regular sodium and would this
aggravate his DI?
It is doubtful that the medication you refer to would cause
DI.
Question # 0096 FAQ Keywords: pets, dogs
My 9-year-old dog was diagnosed with CDI last year. I give
him desmopressin 2 times a day. He was diagnosed recently with an enlarged
liver...pathologist feels it may have to do with his desmopressin. This is not a
side effect to the drug (at least in humans).
It is unlikely that dDAVP caused liver enlargement in your
dog. It is more probable that whatever caused the DI also caused the liver
enlargement. I do not know what kinds of disease
dogs are prone to but if it were a human I would be concerned
about metastatic tumors or an infiltrative disease such as sarcoidosis or
amyloid.
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